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Uni Zueto
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:04:00 -
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Being a buyer of COSMOS drops and manufacturer of the COSMOS modules I know these markets pretty intimately.
As it stands now most of the static plexes are worked 23/7 and most every hacking container in Deltole and Friggi are looked at and near 100% of the items spawning are claimed and used or sold. The Araz plexes aren't farmed nearly as well as needed mostly because they are 20+ jumps from Caldari space.
Now if the numbers of spawning items under the new system is identical to the current possible spawns and these are spread out across exploration sites waiting to be found then it is certain that the claiming rate under the new system will drop well under 100% claimed and prices will sky rocket. If the total number of hacking containers available to find in RADAR sites is twice or three times greater than the current number of fixed containers in the COSMOS plexes then prices might stay the same or drop given that the items will now be out of farmer monopoly and available in a distributed fashion. With pilots able to explore where they live and not having to head 20 jumps to a COSMOS plex the availability of these drops will get more evenly distributed and not only found in Jita causing a pressure upwards on the price due to lack of selling competition. The number of variables to look at here is high and predicting the exact future of the prices is hard. It really depends very heavily on how many RADAR sites show up and if there is a serious movement among the pilot community to encourage more exploring.
If RADAR sites show up as extensions to regular missions then we could easily see a vast increase in the drops of invention items as regular mission runners are drawn into hacking their bonus/escalation rooms. This would be the best stepping stone from the thousands of missions runners to be able to branch into exploring as they get introduced to hacking and exploring skills in their bonus rooms.
As for the COSMOS modules, they mostly fall into similar usefulness as the named meta 3 or 4 modules and should price in about that range but are so expensive to build because of the pricing of the components being used in invention and in some cases for increasing faction standing. For example, the Guristas Light Weapon Console should be about 20k isk so that building the 150mm Musket would cast under 1 million ISK but since the Guristas Light Weapon Console is needed to raise standings with Ishukune they are selling for 6m isk or more. It's ridiculous to spend 12m on a module worth about 1.5m isk. I have a few hundred of these BPC's I'd love to build and there are thousands and thousands of them rotting in pilots hangers not being built because it's not worth it. I hope a fair compromise on these BPC's can be found.
The COSMOS constellations are my favorite areas for the very well done graphics and interesting storylines and I would love to see several more COSMOS areas be written and placed. There are never enough ISD events and the COSMOS are more liked fixed events you can always be sure to find and take part in. If the Ammatar are going to revolt and rejoin their Minmatar Republic brothers and sisters that would make one fine extra COSMOS complex right there. Time portals back through wormholes to the time of the Caldari migration or the Amarr's war with the Jove would also make nice new COSMOS plexes...
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:23:00 -
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There is something suspicious I'd like to point out: This blog was released on October 10th but on October 3rd 1034 Tuning Instructions were bought in the Forge Region and another 1347 Tuning Instructions on October 5th. Those are the two largest purchases of Tuning Instructions ever in their history. How did these buyers know what the developers were planning a week before they released their blog?
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Uni Zueto on 11/10/2007 12:36:22
 Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
Originally by: Uni Zueto
[...] not only found in Jita causing a pressure upwards on the price due to lack of selling competition.[...]
Care to elaborate the current selling competition with nearly all of them in the hands of a select few farmers?
I fail to see how it can get less competition.
Less competition because they aren't all being sold in Jita 4-4. All the farmers are steadily forcing each other down by selling in the same exact station. This happens on many items in Jita causing it to have some of the lowest prices in the Universe on most all T2 modules and many other named modules and some other items. If the decryptors are found and sold all in different regions then the regional prices can float higher with less point of sale competition. Another upward force will be these spread out smaller volumes can be preyed upon by saavy trade sharks who buy the whole stock and triple the price (see Dark Shakiri's headline news).
Of course Great Bargains can also be found from lack of information and poorly educated sellers who compete with the lowest price even though it's 11 jumps away although their product is highly valued in the system they are selling in. Also those bargains listed for sale at a low price in a backwater system.
If you can't understand this then get an Economics 101 book please.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Uni Zueto on 11/10/2007 12:42:14
Originally by: Iris Lyania
And honestly COSMOS farming has nothing to do with a monopoly. Everyone can do it and get a piece of the cake, it's far away of being not fair. All you need to do is train hacking to 5 and step into a decent tank and fit a AB to be fast.
Completely untrue...
There are methods for the best hackers to deny any other pilot getting a take. I can introduce you to two of the hackers who might let you in on the trick. But believe me if he doesn't want you to have ANYTHING from ANY of the cans in Friggi then you won't get anything.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Iris Lyania
Absolutely correct. A lot of people are whining when they didn't get stuff from the towers. All they need to do is study the spawn-mechanics and train and improve their abilities. Then they have the same chance like the so called "farmers". Hacking is a competition, the best hacker with the best knowledge about the plex and the spawn-mechanics wins. Thats it. And well yes there is a trick . . . . . but that trick was easy to find out  .
Being able to keep the entire complexes hacking containers open in 40+ windows on your client so you can see where the next spawn pops up and race to it should be considered a bug IMO. After you move away from the can more than 1500m it's window should automatically close. But since it doesn't, crazy obsessive farmers can lag down Friggi and assure that they are the only ones getting any goods. Of course that's a monopoly shared by only a few hackers with the fastest bandwidths and use of what I consider an exploit and I am glad to see it end.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Uni Zueto on 11/10/2007 13:33:46
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 11/10/2007 13:16:57
Originally by: Uni Zueto
How did these buyers know what the developers were planning a week before they released their blog?
Observe the date
That patch was released on the 4th. The first 1034 decryptors were purchased on the 3rd before that Sisi patch.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Uni Zueto on 11/10/2007 14:24:49
Originally by: Iris Lyania
100% of the +9 decryptors from the COSMOS sites hit the market, the problem is the drop rate is too low, that is why the prices are so high.
I just don't understand why people say prices are high. T2 prices are up to 300% lower than they were a year ago. There are a few items which have stayed steady. The Command Ships and the Stealth Bombers and a few rarer ammos and modules that are rarely used like the EM Armor Hardener. This I assume is from the lack of inventors of these items not the prices of the decryptors. The command ships high failure rates from lack of base item adder would account for it's price and the same for the upcoming T2 BS's. The Stealth Bombers went through a major revamp making them much more in demand thus overcoming the normal T2 deflation seen elsewhere.
I'm perfectly comfortable with the much lower prices on the majority of T2 items and don't see these high prices in the previous
complaints.
EDIT: BTW, the most prodigious hackers in Friggi who could rarely be bested have moved onto other pursuits.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vitaki
This is also what stops people from inventing command ships, dictors, inties etc.. Because of the available profit from Hacs and Hulks the invention costs are too high.
Hulks used to cost 580 million isk before invention so if the profit margins from inventing them have dried up then blame the sheer number of inventors working to get a hulk. Same with inventing Expanded Cargo II they were 90 million isk a piece before invention. I wouldn't touch that market except to make for my own use. There's too many people inventing EC II's and too many BPO holders.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.11 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Uni Zueto on 11/10/2007 22:03:14
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/10/2007 19:38:48
Originally by: Uni Zueto
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Uni Zueto
How did these buyers know what the developers were planning a week before they released their blog?
Observe the date
That patch was released on the 4th. The first 1034 decryptors were purchased on the 3rd before that Sisi patch.
Ok, if I may clarify this particular "Dev Conspiracy" - the knowledge that T2 Battleships were coming out SOON was available to ALL who participated in the Closed Beta test for Mac and Linux clients.
It was fairly quiet at the beginning, since I was one of the first people to log into the Beta Server, and there were hardly 2 other guys on at the time. Eventually more people came on to the server, explored, and found the near-finished models of the T2 Battleships.
The information was leaked, first in private circles, and then in wider, and wider circles, reaching SHS forums, and then popping onto EVE-O Forums.
Lets put it this way, I am sure that anyone with a decent amount of ISK, some brains, and little luck, would have realized that T2 BS = Decryptor Prices Go Mad.
So you're saying it's purely on the speculation of T2 BS invention that the largest purchases in Eve history of decryptors took place on the 3rd through the 5th. It's possible but I still suspect that there was prior knowledge of the change in decryptor drops before the 4th.
I too have seen speculation prior to patches from information gleaned on the beta server but this is the most suspicious one I've seen. And I've been through the EC 1 BPO hanger switch, the named reaction control meta changes, and several others each time the timetable was explainable.
Having said that how many MMO's allow this much prior knowledge of a new patch available to a very small number of players who make huge gains off of knowledge that could easily have been made public. The log in news could have had weekly links to the upcoming T2 ships 3 weeks ago advertising the pride CCP has in it's new content to all the players. But instead we have to spend many many more hours away from our R/L digging around on the beta servers.
Ah whatever, gratz to you and your investigating skills.
'May all your ventures be profitable' - Caldari Farewell |
Uni Zueto
Amarr
Nakama
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
You really need a tinfoil hat.
Just the knowledge that there will come T2 battleships is enough to start speculation. Since these will only be available through invention and since a lot of people will try to make them when they go live it does not take a genious to figure out it could be smart to start getting these things early.
As for the test server, every mmorpg that are not run by morons will have one. The info is freely available through a ton of posts on this forum, and by going on the test server yourself.
The new t2 ships has been announced a long time ago. Pay attention.
Thanks for your 'kind' words.
But it doesn't change the fact that a great percentage of players hate digging through thousands of forum posts a day especially those players with jobs and family. Those same players would not wish to spend extra time patching and maintaining a beta test client installation. I can only assume you have no children and are a college student without a job or a wife or a girlfriend...
The login news is a great place to announce great new upcoming content for Eve and it's a shame that the Devs aren't posting there.
Jinx's explanation of preparing to run 100 T2 invention attempts at a time went a long way of filling me in on why so many items would be needed ahead of the patch. I don't do invention and so I appreciate your insights, Jinx.
I'll throw my Tinfoil hat on the hook.
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Uni Zueto
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: scorp3
I dont understand what i keep hearing about Decryptors being in the hands of a few. The Cosmos complexes are open to anyone whos standing is not to low to enter into high sec.space and anyone with the same skills as myself can come in and stand an equal chance of getting the item from the cans. As i see it the hacking was no different than mining other than the fact that it added a form of pvp which made it more exciting and enjoyable. But I also agree that they should be added to exploration and mayby a new complex added to gallente space to ease the craziness that one has.... I have used both of the ones in Caldari space and must say that I have found most of the people to be friendly and helpful to the new people coming in.. It seems that once again im losing somthing about eve that i enjoyed and trained for....At least try and make exploration more enjoyable
They don't stand an equal chance when the open-all-cans-move-off-the-grid-and-grab-components-from-1500km-away exploit is used. Drako and others have reported this exploit but CCP has not corrected it in over 6 months.
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